与 Epoch AI 的 JS Denain 辩论 RSI、中美差距与不均衡性
原标题：Debating RSI, the US-China Gap, and Jaggedness with JS Denain of Epoch AI
AI 摘要
Interconnects AI 播客主持人 Nathan Lambert 与 Epoch AI 洞察团队负责人 Jean-Stanislas Denain 对谈，讨论递归自我改进（RSI）、中美模型差距、蒸馏是否解释差距、开源与闭源模型安全性等议题。双方均表示对 AI 发展轨迹存在很大不确定性，Denain 认为 OpenAI 和 Anthropic 公开的博客证据不足以证明即将出现自我维持的加速，但 Codex 使用量每月翻倍等现象值得关注。
正文节选
This episode is with Jean-Stanislas “JS” Denain of Epoch AI, who leads their Insights Team and is one of the people I find myself debating the state and trajectory of AI with more and more. We’ve had follow-on discussions of many of my favorite recent posts online and/or in private, so I wanted to dig into the nuance in a public episode. A big takeaway of this podcast is how JS and I both have so much uncertainty with exactly where we are heading, and this was our best effort at stating our obse